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luke
16-12-2006, 10:47 AM
An open letter from Axl...
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An open letter to our fans:

Guns N’ Roses regrets to announce that the following concert tour dates have been canceled:

January 10: Sacramento
January 11: Bakersfield
January 13: Reno
January 16: San Diego

Because of the scheduling of these particular shows, valuable time needed by the band and record company for the proper setup and release of the album Chinese Democracy would have been lost. Rather than delay the album yet again, all involved have decided to remove these shows from GN’R’s schedule. We hope our fans understand and we apologize for any inconveniences this may have caused. Tickets may be refunded at point of purchase.

To say the making of this album has been an unbearably long and incomprehensible journey would be an understatement. Overcoming the endless and seemingly insane amount of obstacles faced by all involved, notwithstanding the emotional challenges endured by everyone -- the fans, the band, our road crew and business team -- has at many times seemed like a bad dream in which one wakes up only to find that they are still in the nightmare. Unfortunately, this time it has been played out for over a decade in real life.

The true, ongoing, behind-the-scenes triumphs and casualties are much more complicated than any negative speculation that the media or otherwise has managed to hit upon. For much of the time, various legal issues have arisen, demanding that the best way to deal with these things publicly, quite frankly, was to keep our mouths shut in an attempt to ensure the best outcome -- especially one that wouldn’t jeopardize the band or the album. It’s easy for people to point out how others have handled similar situations or how they would have dealt with these issues themselves if they encountered them in their own lives. But again, without full knowledge of the various dynamics and circumstances involved, these types of comments or commentary are just uninformed, disassociated, generally useless -- and often hindering -- speculation.

When I agreed to do our recent North American tour, I did it with the understanding that my manager, Merck Mercuriadis, and I were in full agreement regarding our strategy and touring plans and, most important, that any and all things needed to release the album by Dec. 26 at the latest were in place. Unfortunately, it turned out that this was not the case, and I regret to say that the album will not be released by the end of the year. Although many things went extremely well and were very exciting, there were, in our opinion, unnecessary and avoidable complications on our tour having to do with the tour routing, scheduling and album and video plans that wreaked havoc on all involved. This was compounded by an overall sense of a lack of respect by management for the band and crew and each individual's particular expertise that has resulted, unfortunately, in the end of both Guns’ and my managerial involvement with Merck Mercuriadis.

In regard to a release date for the album itself, certain minor –- and I do mean minor -- additions, as well as contract negotiations, need to be completed. Barring any unforeseen complications, these things have now been adequately scheduled. The band and I, along with our record company, feel that this record deserves the proper setup and promotion, not the “13 Tuesdays left” and “It may just appear in your record store” approach offered by management. We believe this strategy may have been used as a tool by management to sell this latest tour to the various promoters, and if this was the case, this was obviously unfair to them. The stress of dealing with this situation has been considerable for everyone, including the band, but more important, in our opinion, it was something utterly insane to do to our fans. You have our apologies, and please know we have been laboring over this with management for the entire North American tour.

It takes approximately eight weeks for an album to hit the shelves once it has been turned in to the record company. For whatever reasons, it appears that it may have been mistakenly inferred by management that this time period could be condensed to three weeks. With that being said, this is not a promise, a lie or a guarantee, but we do wish to announce a tentative release date of March 6. This is the first time we have done this publicly for this album. Others have made up all the other dates for their own reasons. We would like to assure the fans that everything in our power will be done to meet this date. Once it is finalized and official, you will be notified. If we are delayed for unseen reasons, you also will be notified as soon as possible in regard to a new date, and the album will be released as shortly thereafter as is possible. We thank you for your patience.

In the end, it’s just an album, but it’s one that I, the band, our record company and all involved believe and feel is a true Guns N’ Roses album. Ultimately the public will decide, and regardless of the outcome, our hearts, lives and our passion has been put into this project every step of the way. If for no other reason, we feel those elements alone merit your consideration. We do hope you can hold on just a bit longer, and if not, please take a break and we’ll be more than glad -- if you so choose -- to see you again later.

Once again, we offer our sincere apologies and our deepest thanks. Guns N’ Roses also would like to thank all the fans who attended the 70 concerts in 21 countries for their support in 2006. All the best to each and every one of you over this holiday season, thank you and God bless.

Sincerely,

Axl Rose

rumplespliffskin
16-12-2006, 11:21 AM
axl rose is a . this album has been getting made for the last 10 years. they probably still havent even started it yet. hes a deadset lunatic. the reason he cancelled those shows is the same reason hes cancelled the other 3/4 of the shows guns and roses are supposed to have done. he cant sing live. it kills his throat. when oure making an album, you can do one song one day and start another three days later. when youre live, you have to do 15 in a row. he is rubbish. this album will probably never come out and all the gnr loving bogans will forever talk about how great it wouldve been even though it probably never had a single song made.

luke
16-12-2006, 11:48 AM
axl rose is a . this album has been getting made for the last 10 years. they probably still havent even started it yet. hes a deadset lunatic. the reason he cancelled those shows is the same reason hes cancelled the other 3/4 of the shows guns and roses are supposed to have done. he cant sing live. it kills his throat. when oure making an album, you can do one song one day and start another three days later. when youre live, you have to do 15 in a row. he is rubbish. this album will probably never come out and all the gnr loving bogans will forever talk about how great it wouldve been even though it probably never had a single song made.
He maybe a w*nk*r and a lunatic but hes the greatest rock n roll frontman of all time, hes exciting and unpredictable, and he sounds amazing live. This is gonna be one of the greatest albums..

Kurdt
16-12-2006, 01:00 PM
March 6 I'd like to see that.

Bedseyroxmysox
16-12-2006, 01:15 PM
He maybe a w*nk*r and a lunatic but hes the greatest rock n roll frontman of all time, hes exciting and unpredictable, and he sounds amazing live. This is gonna be one of the greatest albums..
I could think of many more.

And yes, Axl is a ******.

luke
16-12-2006, 05:15 PM
I could think of many more.

And yes, Axl is a ******.
who is a better rock front man?

Alec
16-12-2006, 05:23 PM
who is a better rock front man?

Elvis for starters maybe?

Mr.Sark
16-12-2006, 05:27 PM
He maybe a w*nk*r and a lunatic but hes the greatest rock n roll frontman of all time, hes exciting and unpredictable, and he sounds amazing live. This is gonna be one of the greatest albums..
No, No, No, No and No.

luke
16-12-2006, 05:36 PM
Elvis for starters maybe?
Yeh, but like hard rock Axl owns everyone

Alec
16-12-2006, 05:37 PM
Yeh, but like hard rock Axl owns everyone

Robert Plant.....Freddie Mercury?

luke
16-12-2006, 05:52 PM
Hardly call queen hard rock. Mercury has a good voice but axl is raw power hes so dominating. I was watching a gnr special on vh1 and everyone was saying axl is probably the most amazing frontman ever.
Everyone has different opinions i think Axl is the best. A hole lot of people would agree and disagree. Theres not many people who could replace every member in GN'R one of the greatest bands of all time and still be great, that whats hes done. Axl is single handily bringing back true rock and roll, just go to google and listen to 2006 gnr. And you can all say he's a ****** W*N*ER but ill listen to him over any music today because its all crap. When Chinese Democracy comes out you should all listen to it before you say its crap.

Ritalindude
16-12-2006, 07:24 PM
I was watching a gnr special on vh1 and everyone was saying axl is probably the most amazing frontman ever.
Maybe because it was a GNR special?

go you roosters
16-12-2006, 07:31 PM
Maybe because it was a GNR special?

Yeah i agree...if it was a GYR special then they would say i am the best :p

Ritalindude
16-12-2006, 07:50 PM
Yeah i agree...if it was a GYR special then they would say i am the best :p
Lmao.

I like your band GYR:

Vocals: GYR
Guitar: GYR
Bass: GYR
Drums: GYR

Kinda like the best Cricsim team ever aye:D

go you roosters
16-12-2006, 08:02 PM
Lmao.

I like your band GYR:

Vocals: GYR
Guitar: GYR
Bass: GYR
Drums: GYR

Kinda like the best Cricsim team ever aye:D

Yeah i reckon...id have a better selling album average than donald bradmans batting average :p

Ritalindude
16-12-2006, 08:03 PM
Yeah i reckon...id have a better selling album average than donald bradmans batting average :p
Is your album going to be self titled GYR?

go you roosters
16-12-2006, 08:04 PM
Is your album going to be self titled GYR?

Umm my first one will be called "GYR...The Early Years" :p

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 05:02 PM
Chinese Democracy should be released tomorrow. :D

Bedseyroxmysox
05-03-2007, 05:03 PM
How long has it been?

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 05:06 PM
How long has it been?
Probably about 13 years.

Bedseyroxmysox
05-03-2007, 05:12 PM
Probably about 13 years.
That's just stupid really. Is that when it was first announced?

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 05:21 PM
That's just stupid really. Is that when it was first announced?
Wouldn't be far off. It is now officially the most expensive album ever.

Bedseyroxmysox
05-03-2007, 05:22 PM
Wouldn't be far off. It is now officially the most expensive album ever.
Should have just given up imo.

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 05:26 PM
Should have just given up imo.
Or released it ten years ago when they were more relevant to the music scene.

Bedseyroxmysox
05-03-2007, 05:28 PM
Or released it ten years ago when they were more relevant to the music scene.
Well that would have worked i'm sure. It doesn't take 13 years to write and record an album.

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 05:47 PM
Well that would have worked i'm sure. It doesn't take 13 years to write and record an album.
Apparently it does.

luke
05-03-2007, 06:03 PM
They finished recording last week, and now there in the mixing stage so it shouldnt be too much longer. Im thinking early April because there tour is starting and theres no way Axl can go on tour without the album again and if he does there will be alot of ed off fans!!

Cant wait for Velvet Revolver's Libertad aswell. But Chinese Democracy is gonna be awesome..

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 06:47 PM
They finished recording last week, and now there in the mixing stage so it shouldnt be too much longer. Im thinking early April because there tour is starting and theres no way Axl can go on tour without the album again and if he does there will be alot of ed off fans!!

Cant wait for Velvet Revolver's Libertad aswell. But Chinese Democracy is gonna be awesome..
I have heard about 5 songs off it. Sounds average at this stage. I know there is work to be done but.....

Guest
05-03-2007, 06:57 PM
Will be interesting to listen to when it comes out.

luke
05-03-2007, 08:52 PM
I have heard about 5 songs off it. Sounds average at this stage. I know there is work to be done but.....
Which one is your favourite?

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 09:16 PM
I have heard:

Catcher In The Rye
Dust In The Wind
Madagascar
There Was A Time

The only one that stands out for me is There Was A Time. All the others are a bit meh to me. I will still buy the album though. Sucker for punishment.

luke
05-03-2007, 10:12 PM
I have heard:

Catcher In The Rye
Dust In The Wind
Madagascar
There Was A Time

The only one that stands out for me is There Was A Time. All the others are a bit meh to me. I will still buy the album though. Sucker for punishment.
Ive followed GN'R for ages, ive never heard Dust in the wind im pretty sure that was a fake.. There was a time has the maddest solo at the end, its gonna be epic... You should listen to "Better"(its the best one and is gonna be the first single), and the blues..
this is Better(remember its only a demo) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa0OYBDPpj8

Alec
05-03-2007, 10:14 PM
If it's even 1/4 of the album that AfD was, I'd get it. The problem is none of their other albums are even 10% of what AfD is.

luke
05-03-2007, 10:24 PM
If it's even 1/4 of the album that AfD was, I'd get it. The problem is none of their other albums are even 10% of what AfD is.
Thats your opinion.. Illusion 1 + 2 are masterpieces.. I think Chinese Democracy needs to be on the same level or greater then AFD for Axl too have any credibility.. Because no matter how good the album is going to be, people will still say it isnt worth 10 years or whateva...

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 10:26 PM
Nothing special really. Obviously needs touching up though.

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 10:27 PM
Thats your opinion.. Illusion 1 + 2 are masterpieces.. I think Chinese Democracy needs to be on the same level or greater then AFD for Axl too have any credibility.. Because no matter how good the album is going to be, people will still say it isnt worth 10 years or whateva...
Illusion 1 and 2 were good albums. Not great or anywhere near it. If they had of put the best 12 songs on one album it may have been a killer but they chose to be greedy and release twin albums.

luke
05-03-2007, 10:33 PM
Illusion 1 and 2 were good albums. Not great or anywhere near it. If they had of put the best 12 songs on one album it may have been a killer but they chose to be greedy and release twin albums.
I agree, if the top 12 were on 1 album i could have been bigger then Appetite..

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 10:48 PM
I agree, if the top 12 were on 1 album i could have been bigger then Appetite..
Maybe not that big, but certainly a lot better.

luke
05-03-2007, 10:53 PM
Maybe not that big, but certainly a lot better.
Yeh i agree but imagine
- Civil War
- Live and let die
- Knockin on heavens door
- Dont Cry
- November Rain
- Estranged
- Coma
- Breakdown
- You could be mine
- Yesterdays
- Dead Horse
That would be awesome..

Alec
05-03-2007, 10:59 PM
Yeh i agree but imagine
- Civil War
- Live and let die
- Knockin on heavens door
- Dont Cry
- November Rain
- Estranged
- Coma
- Breakdown
- You could be mine
- Yesterdays
- Dead Horse
That would be awesome..

None of those song come even close to the majority of AfD songs, especially ones like Welcome to the jungle, Nighttrain, Paradise City, Sweet Child, Rocket Queen, My Michelle.....etc.

luke
05-03-2007, 11:02 PM
None of those song come even close to the majority of AfD songs, especially ones like Welcome to the jungle, Nighttrain, Paradise City, Sweet Child, Rocket Queen, My Michelle.....etc.
Lyrically Use you illusion are better then AFD, when you get songs live civil war and November Rain.. AFD will always be one of the greatest rock albums ever and it is better then Illusions.. But i really enjoy GN'R ballads so probably thats why i like illsuions heaps...

Alec
05-03-2007, 11:06 PM
I don't know what Axl was thinking when he decided to start making ballads to be honest.

luke
05-03-2007, 11:09 PM
I don't know what Axl was thinking when he decided to start making ballads to be honest.
Yeh well thats what sorta broke the band up aye.. But the ballads are some of their most famous works..

Kurdt
05-03-2007, 11:26 PM
I don't know what Axl was thinking when he decided to start making ballads to be honest.
I do.


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