Penalties

[Canadian Rules Football]

Do all penalities result in a kick.Just watched the Dragons Sea Eagles game couldn`t really tell.On average what would be the average penality kicks at goal?
In football a team could losse a down I guess would be a tackle in rugby.

[rumplespliffskin]

some penalties. holding the player down is a goal kickable one. i dont think offside is. high tackle is. i cant think of any other penalties right now dammit. but all penalties result in a free kick. they tap the ball with their foot because you have to kick it and if they do that then theyre kicking it to themselves you see. sometimes they kick to touch and get some more yards.

[juan_schwartz]

some penalties. holding the player down is a goal kickable one. i dont think offside is. high tackle is.

You can elect a shot at goal for any penalty.

[rumplespliffskin]

no you cant. not all penalties

[juan_schwartz]

no you cant. not all penalties

You're wrong.

http://www.nrl.com/about/rules.cfm?page=10

• When Awarded
(a) A penalty kick shall be awarded against any player who is guilty of misconduct provided that this is not to the disadvantage of the non-offending team. Unless otherwise stated, the mark is where the offence occurs. If misconduct occurs in touch the mark shall be ten metres from the touch line in the field of play and opposite where the offence occurred or, in the case of obstruction, where the ball next bounces or is caught, in the field of play, or ten metres opposite the point of entry if the ball enters touch on the full, or ten (10) metres from the goal line if the ball crosses the goal line on the full, whichever is to the greater advantage of the non-offending team. If the offence is committed by a defender in his own in-goal or an attacker in his opponents' in-goal, the mark is taken ten metres into the field of play opposite where the offence occurred. In the event of further misconduct by the offending team, the referee shall advance the mark once only ten metres towards the offending team's goal line.

Tell me where it stipulates that you can't take a shot at goal for offside infringements, but you can for ruck infringements and illegal tackles?

There is only one article of the rulebook that doesn't accomodate for a goal kick, but its worded poorly and will never happen. And that 'rule' isn't even a penalty, anyway.

[marty023]

juan_schwartz is right, you can kick for goal when awarded any type of penalty

[rumplespliffskin]

it says free kick. not kick at goal. i didnt say you cant for offsides. and yes youre right. but that rule hasnt been around for long. thee was a time when not all penalties could be shots at goal. or maybe its rugby union im thinking of.

[juan_schwartz]

it says free kick. not kick at goal. i didnt say you cant for offsides. and yes youre right. but that rule hasnt been around for long. thee was a time when not all penalties could be shots at goal. or maybe its rugby union im thinking of.

The very next article of the rulebook says:

A player may take a penalty kick by punting, drop kicking, or place kicking the ball from any point on or behind the mark and equidistant from the touch line. Other than when kicking for goal the ball may be kicked in any direction, after which it is in play.

The phrase 'penalty kick' encompasses goalkicking.

You must be thinking of Rugby Union. Rugby Union has 'free kicks' also known as 'short arm penalties' for lesser infractions. You cannot attempt a penalty goal for these penalties, and if you kick for touch, you wont receive the throw in the lineout.

[parraeels_05premiers]

There are differential penalties in Rugby League where you cannot take a shot at goal. I had one happen in one of my league games last season after the other team broke from the scrum to earlier. This resulted in a penalty in a differential penalty where we could have another scrum or take a tap, but we were not allowed to kick at goal.

[juan_schwartz]

There are differential penalties in Rugby League where you cannot take a shot at goal. I had one happen in one of my league games last season after the other team broke from the scrum to earlier. This resulted in a penalty in a differential penalty where we could have another scrum or take a tap, but we were not allowed to kick at goal.

Thats the one I was talking about before and its there at the bottom in the link I posted. They're not quintessential penalties, as they're not awarded for 'foul play' per se.

[rumplespliffskin]

so you could say, not all penalties can result in a kick at goal, and juan, i was right?

[parraeels_05premiers]

You can elect a shot at goal for any penalty.

Yeh i think rumplespliffskin might have you their juan, however your thorough research of this issue was immpresive! :cool:

[juan_schwartz]

so you could say, not all penalties can result in a kick at goal, and juan, i was right?

No, because this differential penalty is not a penalty. Thats why its called 'differential' which, by definition, means its not the same as a penalty. Its different from a penalty; a differential penalty.

And it will never be called in the NRL. Take that to the bank.

Parra '05, I believe the referee may have been incorrect in ruling your scenarion a DP. Breaking from the scrum, I think, constitutes offside. My interpretation is that a DP at the scrum would entail something like one team constantly failing to comply with the referee to bind correctly or pushing the other team off the mark before the ball is put in. But scrums are so nonchalant these days that this never happens.

[rumplespliffskin]

what about the fact that its called a penalty

[rumplespliffskin]

tell me juan, what happened when a team commits this offence, they get.....(waits for a response similar to differentially penalised) didnt andrew gee get a differential penalty a few years back for not taking a 20 tap the right way? lost them the (close) game?

[rumplespliffskin]

The very next article of the rulebook says:

A player may take a penalty kick by punting, drop kicking, or place kicking the ball from any point on or behind the mark and equidistant from the touch line. Other than when kicking for goal the ball may be kicked in any direction, after which it is in play.

The phrase 'penalty kick' encompasses goalkicking.

you have the wrong piece of information here too. this only tells you where you can kick FROM. dont tell me it says you may take a penalty kick because you DEFINITELY cant punt for goal. this only says WHERE you can kick from and in what direction

[juan_schwartz]

you have the wrong piece of information here too. this only tells you where you can kick FROM. dont tell me it says you may take a penalty kick because you DEFINITELY cant punt for goal. this only says WHERE you can kick from and in what direction

You missed the point. The point was the phrase penalty kick encompasses goalkicking, I used that article of the rulebook as an example.


didnt andrew gee get a differential penalty a few years back for not taking a 20 tap the right way? lost them the (close) game?

No. Differential Penalties apply only at the scrum. I can't find anything in the rulebook that associates a DP with a tap kick.

(b) In the event of a breach by the kicker's team a scrum shall be formed at the point where the penalty kick was awarded. In the event of a breach by the opposing team a further penalty kick shall be awarded at a point opposite where the breach occurred on a line parallel to the goal line ten metres from where the penalty kick was awarded.

I'd imagine an incorrect tap kick would apply here.

[rumplespliffskin]

A player may take a penalty kick by punting, drop kicking, or place kicking the ball from any point on or behind the mark and equidistant from the touch line. Other than when kicking for goal the ball may be kicked in any direction, after which it is in play.
the words penalty kick dont encompass goal kicking, look up there. read that. i dont know if youre blind or not but it only says where you can kick from. A PLAYER MAY TAKE A PENALTY KICK BY PUNTING.... you have NEVER been able to punt a shot at goal. so what happens after a differential penalty at the scrum, do hey just start running with the ball or do they tap it. you CANT kick for goal for every penalty. simple as that